Jim Stoppani Scandal: Censoring Inconvenient Truths? (UPDATED)

Here at PricePlow, you know we love a good sales pitch. The supplement industry is a never-ending stream of new products, ingredient research, dramatic marketing tactics, and sex-driven advertising.

We’ve always been quite accepting of aggressive marketing — after all, if you can’t handle it, you probably don’t belong in this space.

But as always, there’s a line to be drawn. For me, that line rests with the ingredient labels. Namely, not lying on your labels and most definitely not lying about other companies’ labels either.

This past week, Jim Stoppani has repeatedly and unabashedly crossed that line.

Disclaimer: Before we begin, I must note that PricePlow is affiliated with both brands discussed in this article. We receive the same sales commissions when sending new users to both Bodybuilding.com (the company that owns at least part of JYM Supplement Science) as well as NutraBio, so we consider this to be a fair and level playing field.

Updated June 7th, 2016: Jim has posted a video response to this post. Click here to watch it.

Updated July 6th, 2016: Mark Glazier of NutraBio, one of the companies that Jim attacked, has posted a response as well. Click here to watch it. (Original article was posted May 13, 2016).

On to the Jim Stoppani Label “Scandal”:

The story begins on Saturday, May 7th at around noon eastern time, when Dr. Jim Stoppani posted the following picture(archive.org backup) on Facebook:

“Yesterday, I shot several videos explaining other ways to identify proprietary blend protein powders. I went into great detail, but the easiest way to know if your protein is a proprietary blend is to look at the FRONT. If it doesn’t have JYM on the label it IS a proprietary blend. Pro JYM is the ONLY NON PROPRIETARY blended protein powder.

— Jim Stoppani, May 7th (via Facebook)

Jim Stoppani Scandal

“The ONLY NON PROPRIETARY blended protein powder” is simply an untrue statement, as we will show below.

Now, I can tell you with absolute certainty that this is a patently false statement.

First, remember the fact that Pro JYM’s ingredients panel is technically a proprietary blend:

Pro JYM is technically a proprietary blend

Technically speaking, Pro JYM is a proprietary blend (that does indeed disclose more than most – but not more than all)

We let that slide, though, because elsewhere in the product’s marketing, Pro JYM’s label does disclose the general breakdown of proteins inside of the product. We’ve always been huge fans of that disclosure, and have given Jim huge kudos for pushing the industry forward with that model.

But beyond the fact that it is still technically a proprietary blend lies something more important: there are other companies whose protein powders are similarly disclosed – some even more so than Pro JYM. To name a few:

  1. All NutraBio protein powders and supplements, including their protein blend, Muscle Matrix Protein;
  2. Muscle Elements TRUTH;
  3. Grenade Hydra 6
  4. Body Nutrition’s Trutein

There are likely others, but you get the idea – Pro JYM is not “the ONLY NON PROPRIETARY blended protein powder”, and as we’ll see below, it’s not nearly the “most open” either.

But hey, as a PhD and a hugely-respected member of the community who keeps extremely busy helping his followers, building awesome workout content, and promoting his brand, Jim isn’t expected to know about all these other brands. We can’t — and don’t — fault him for this.

“Actually NutraBio…”

Of the four companies listed above, the one whose following is larger than anyone realizes is NutraBio. And one of their fans chimed in and posted a picture, stating

“Actually Nutrabio protein in non proprietary too. They have been around since 1996”

— NutraBio customer comment (with picture, shown below) responding to the above Facebook post

No big deal, though… All Jim has to do is take a look at the label, follow the words written on his own mission statement(archive.org backup), and applaud NutraBio’s efforts:

JYM Mission Statement

The mission statement from JYMSupplementScience.com. We have to wonder, what has changed since this site was launched??

“Good For other companies Trying to do it right!”

“I salute those supplement companies who are looking to re-invent themselves and give the consumers transparent products that they can trust and information that allows all of us to reach our goals. The ones who are doing so I will applaud, shake their hand, and let you know who they are…”

— JYM Supplement Science Mission Statement (emphasis ours)

So he’ll say something positive and all is well, right?

Wrong. And this is where the mess really begins.

Jim’s response? Well, it wasn’t applause:

This Label Makes No Sense

This label makes no sense. Which begs the question of its accuracy. It’s not specd out correctly. You MUST list the total protein amount (25g) but you don’t have to list the source, however when you add what they are claiming 16.1+13.2 it doesn’t add up. Remember, there are companies who have flat out lied. This is suspect. Sorry if you have to question, it’s your choice but I don’t want my consumers to question anything. Additionally this has no medium digesting protein so……

— Jim Stoppani, May 7, 2016 (on Facebook)

Now, let’s give Jim the benefit of the doubt. He’s got a PhD, but there are quite a few words and numbers on NutraBio’s label here. It can be confusing if you don’t take the time to read it.

So I posted a response from our PricePlow account, explaining how we’re really looking at 14.3g + 10.7g = 25g. My comment was quickly deleted, but I’m not upset, because it did start with something to the tune of “LOL UMMM NO”, which is admittedly unprofessional, and it’s completely within Jim’s right to do so. Unfortunately, I do not have a screenshot of this comment, but I have no reason to lie — it was deleted.

However, in that comment, I also tagged @NutraBio, which awoke the sleeping giant.

In comes Mark Glazier, founder of NutraBio

Having been in contact with Mark Glazier ever since we wrote our popular amino acid spiking article, I can tell you beyond a shadow of a doubt that this man takes his labels seriously. So seriously that he even discloses the amount of flavoring, sweetener, and colors on the labels – something nobody else is currently doing. You can see an example for yourself in the image above!

Now, normally in the supplement industry, you’d expect a testosterone-driven “shouting match”. Instead, on May 8th at 1:38PM (CST), Mark posted a wonderfully professional comment, defending his label:

“Hello all, I am the founder of NutraBio. I appreciate the discussion of my protein so let me jump in and clear up a few things.

The label shown has 100% ingredient disclosure including the exact dosage of each protein source and each component of the flavor system. I am not required to disclose the dosage of the source, but I believe to claim a true “no proprietary blend label” you must disclose everything to the consumer. I am the only brand on the market that discloses the exact dosage of every ingredient with absolutely no exceptions, and I have done so in every one of my 300 plus products for over 15 years.

Here is the math: This product contains only 5 ingredients with a total serving size of 29.92 grams broken down as follows: 16.1 grams of whey Protein Isolate (WPI), 13.2 grams of Micellar Casein (MC), 417mg of vanilla flavor, 167mg of xanthan and 37mg of sucralose. The ingredients total 29.92 grams, which matches the serving size claimed on the label exactly.

Lets go a step further. We all understand that no protein source is 100% protein, for example WPI contains about 90% protein and MC about 80%. I take label transparency so serious that I disclose not only the dose of each protein source but also the amount of complete protein each source provides.

In this case, my label claims each serving contains 25 grams of complete protein. To achieve this, the formula requires 29.3 grams of WPI and MC combined. The label shows the breakdown exactly: one serving includes 16.1 grams of WPI supplying 14.3 grams of complete protein, along with 13.2 grams of MC supplying 10.7 grams of complete protein. By adding the two together you get a total of 25 grams of complete protein.

The protein values of each protein source add up to the total protein claim, the individual ingredients add up to the serving size claim. The math makes absolute sense. Folks, this is what complete label transparency is all about. With this high level of information disclosed on my labels, you can prove out the formula to milligram accuracy.

— Mark Glazier, Founder and CEO of NutraBio, on the Facebook image thread above

Jym vs NutraBio

Mark’s original comment: extremely factual, extremely professional

Jym vs NutraBio

Mark’s comment, continued.

But if you head back to the picture with this conversation thread, you’ll see two problems:

  1. that comment no longer exists.
  2. Jim never updated or deleted his original comment which was now shown to be incorrect.

The comment hiding begins

Unfortunately, shortly thereafter, Mark’s comment was hidden – either by Jim Stoppani, someone doing his social media, or by Facebook itself. (How do I know it was first hidden and not yet deleted? Hang in there.)

At this point, on May 8 at 8:44PM CST, I emailed Jim and his right-hand-man, Mike, asking what was going on and attaching the above two screenshots:

“Well gentlemen, I can understand your deleting my comment over here, but Mark Glazier’s comment (see attached) on this post was extremely well-written, polite, and informative.

Care to comment on or off the record?

Thanks as always!
Mike

— Email from PricePlow Mike to Jim Stoppani and JYM Mike

I’m yet to receive a response from that email.

Meanwhile, after his comment was hidden, NutraBio Mark posted another comment, on May 9, 10:24am CST:

[CUSTOMER NAME OMITTED], good question to bring up, as the owner of NutraBio let me address it. By disclosing on our label each protein source along with its corresponding yield of complete protein we prove mathematically that the product is not protein spiked.

Here is the math: My label claims each serving contains 25 grams of complete protein then further breaks down where every gram of that protein comes from. One serving includes 16.1 grams of Whey Protein Isolate (WPI) supplying 14.3 grams of complete protein, along with 13.2 grams of Micellar Casein (MC) supplying 10.7 grams of complete protein. Remember that no protein source contains 100% protein value, for example WPI contains about 90% protein and MC about 80% which is why we disclose both the dose of the source and its yield.

When you add the numbers, you get a combined total of 29.3 grams of WPI and MC which yields 25 grams of complete protein. By disclosing this level of detail on the label, every gram of protein we claim is accounted for leaving no option of spiking. Furthermore, every ingredient with its dose is disclosed on the label right down to amount of flavor we add. The label also verifies there are no additional ingredients in this product such as amino acids or creatine that would provide NPN (non-protein-nitrogen) that would cause spiked nitrogen levels. We leave nothing open to interpretation, the label is completely transparent.

— Mark Glazier, Founder and CEO of NutraBio (second attempt to inform consumer on the Facebook image thread above)

Using my personal Facebook feed to see this comment, I got the following three screenshots:

Jim Stoppani Censoring Comments

Yes, Jim is FULLY within his rights to hide and delete any comments on his feed. Our issue lies in his unwillingness to correct his previous comments, and also when he doubled down on his statements by posting his YouTube video on May 11.

Jim Stoppani Censoring Comments

Why are there two comments here? Because this was taken from my personal account, and I’m friends with Mark Glazier. At this time, the first comment was hidden, meaning it was only visible to Mark and his friends. The second comment was public at this point.

Jim Stoppani Censoring Comments

Second comment continued.

Where are those comments now? Sadly, they’re no longer hidden — they’re now fully deleted.

That comment stood for a couple of days, the customer thanked him, and at that point, I figured it was all said and done, despite the fact that Jim’s rather incorrect response was still live.

Jim goes all in

Instead, Jim doubles down, posting an excruciating video stating that “Pro JYM is the only non-proprietary protein blend on the market”. Published on May 11, 2016, three days after hiding my comment and NutraBio Mark’s first comment and two days after Mark posted his second comment (which is now completely deleted).

At this point, Stack3d chimes in with this post, also on May 11, causing quite the stir. Stack3d was completely unaware of the fact that I’ve now been closely following the situation regarding the hidden/deleted comments on Facebook.

Also, on May 11, Jim posts the following comment, after the original commenter thanked Mark at NutraBio:

“Actually [CUSTOMER NAME] if you want to put your trust in other brands that are not giving it to you straight it is your choice. BS? I guess the protein spiking and lawsuits brought forth by my exposing how to read a label was BS? So much for helping you understand what others do to lie to you. Make your own choices. The above comment still makes no sense and if it takes a dissertation from someone to explain why their label somehow makes the cut, then I might as well showcase information supporting my kids belief in Santa Claus. Additionally if someone from another company is using MY FACEBOOK page to troll my consumers shouldn’t that tell you the pathetic nature in which they will try to sell you on their brand? Goes to show you they have nothing better to do than to worry about what real expertise and science say when they position false information and try to rationalize it

— Jim Stoppani, on Facebook thread

Jim Stoppani Scandal - Jim Doubles Down

Jim doubles down… and brings Santa Clause into it too (???)

The above screenshot is where things remain as of May 13, 2016.

…and they’re gone.

Where are Mark Glazier’s comments now? They’re not even showing up on my personal feed anymore. They’re no longer hidden, they’re permanently deleted.

Now, I’ll be the first to admit that it’s well within Jim’s rights to delete or hide comments. All of us brands have done it before, PricePlow included (usually in an effort to combat spammers). But that original comment reply still sits…

Doing the due diligence

There have now been several instances of attempts to re-educate and notify Jim of this situation:

  1. The customer’s original posting of this label
  2. My comment (deleted)
  3. Mark Glazier’s original comment (hidden and then deleted)
  4. Mark Glazier’s second comment (deleted)
  5. Stack3d’s blog post
  6. Comments on his video, such as James Tracy’s comment about Muscle Elements TRUTH (James is a VP at Muscle Elements)

Yet his original response to the comment, stating that NutraBio’s label is “not specd out correctly” still stands, unedited, to this point. This is where we have a problem.

While I’m not a lawyer, I personally believe the constant hiding/deleting of comments while not updating the original incorrect answer is something to be seriously concerned about here. Either you change nothing or you edit everything – you shouldn’t pick and choose when the truth applies.

At the end of the day, this matters to me because consumers have been done a disservice, and one of the few honest companies, NutraBio, has been thrown under the bus as a result.

The truth is that they’re both great products, and there’s so many far worse ones that could be attacked instead. But if you want to nitpick, let’s have at it:

Digging Deeper: There’s “non-proprietary” and then there’s 100% TRANSPARENT

Pro JYM vs. Muscle Matrix

Another look at the label from NutraBio’s customer.

Jim even states that “You MUST list the total protein amount (25g) but you don’t have to list the source”, which is true, but is also an admission that NutraBio’s product has a label that goes above and beyond Pro JYM’s.

In Pro JYM, we aren’t sure what specific quality of each protein (as defined by percent-by-weight) we’re getting. In NutraBio’s Muscle Matrix, we do get the quantitative quality for the whey protein isolate (90%), although not the casein percentage.

Alongside the flavoring, filler, and sweetener numbers, NutraBio is undoubtedly a more open formula – at this moment in time, their transparency is untouched.

Further, in terms of total protein by weight in the finished product, Muscle Matrix is “cleaner” too: Vanilla Muscle Matrix has 25g protein in a 29.9g scoop (83.6% protein by weight), while vanilla Pro JYM has 24g protein in a 34.5g scoop (69.6% protein by weight). Pro JYM clearly has more fillers and creamers and may taste smoother, but we really don’t know how much of that 10.5g leftover is from the “Other ingredients” or is from the non-protein byproducts from the four protein-based ingredients. With NutraBio, we know where every last milligram is going. Who is proprietary now?

14.3 + 10.7 = 25

Meanwhile, the PhD Dr. Stoppani claims that “The above comment [NOW DELETED] still makes no sense and if it takes a dissertation from someone to explain why their label somehow makes the cut, then I might as well showcase information supporting my kids belief in Santa Claus.”

So you’re publicly admitting that you have indeed read the Mark Glazier comments above, yet you’re telling me that 14.3 + 10.7 = 25 makes no sense?

At this point, I’ve seen it all.

Time to get real

Dr. Stoppani, it’s time to take a step back, slow down, and reconsider your recent behavior. You are one of the most highly-respected men in this industry. You’ve always been one of the few good guys, too: with your workout plans and videos, you’ve changed more lives for the better than can be counted, and we’ll always love you for that.

But this bullshit has got to stop.

It’s time to follow your very own mission statement, and commend the few other brands that have stepped up their game, or at least acknowledge that you are not the only non-proprietary game in town.

Hell, these brands don’t even need acknowledgement – they just need you to stop lying to customers about their very existence.

Fact of the matter is that 90% of this industry is still complete and total garbage, so it’s okay to pat the other 10% on the back! Trust me, there’s plenty of money for everyone to make. The constant rising tide of this industry lifts all ships, and remember that protein is a repeated consumer purchase, so if they didn’t buy Pro JYM this time, you can still get ’em next time.

Listen, I understand that it gets old talking about the same thing over and over. You think I want to write about yet another pre workout supplement with the same five ingredients every damn week?

With nine JYM products, there’s only so much room for unique content plays – it’s not infinite. At some point, we run out of ways to describe protein powders and caffeine-based supplements. I understand that pain, and I personally believe you’ve hit that wall. Yet that’s perfectly okay, because you have the trump card:

A better plan for JYM

Here’s the kicker: you don’t even need to make new supplement videos! Instead, my advice is to get back to doing what made you so awesome in the first place: your killer workout content. Motivational stuff. Form, technique, and tattoos even. Throw a JYM t-shirt on and drink out of a JYM shaker cup during that video.

Trust me, we will get it. We are not stupid. We know that you make a damn good protein powder, and the #JYMArmy will buy it at nearly any price, if only to thank you for all the fantastic free content you’ve provided over the years. That model works. This new model doesn’t.

When you run out of things to talk about regarding supplements, the absolute worst thing you can do is to double down, especially if that means throwing the few other honest companies under the bus in the process.

With so many bad products out there, there’s plenty of market space for the good ones to all succeed without stepping on each others’ toes. By raising customer standards, we can all win together.

You are better than this, Dr. Stoppani. So be better, and quit it with this bullshit.

Sincerely,
Mike at PricePlow

Jim Stoppani has Responded…

On the evening of June 6, 2016, Jim posted a video response to this post and some of the videos made out there:

At this point, we’re at a total loss for words. We have nothing further to add than that – you can make up your own minds by now.

Mark Glazier at NutraBio Responds

On June 7th, 2016, Mark Glazier posted a thoughtful and educational response to Jim’s two videos:

Excellently stated, Mark.

Final Question: Did Jim Stoppani even formulate Pro JYM?

Here’s one last thing we’ve noticed: Pro JYM’s formula is eerily similar to Bodybuilding.com’s Protogen formula!! Take a look at the two vanilla flavors:

Pro JYM vs. Protogen

These two labels look way too familiar. Did someone just take the Protogen formula, cut it by 20%, remove the digestive enzymes, and then raise the price for Pro JYM?!?!?!?!?

Compare the differences:

  1. Pro JYM has the exact same ingredients as Protogen, in the exact same order, except it doesn’t have the AMINOGEN digestive enzymes that Protogen has!
  2. The serving size and nearly all other ingredients are nearly 20% different.
Bodybuilding Protogen

Why does this formula provide more protein for less money, and have everything in the same order? Who formulated Pro JYM?

The fats are the same, yet the calories from fat are not, which may actually mean that Pro JYM has more creamers??

Yet Pro JYM costs more for less.

We know that Protogen has been out longer than Pro JYM, since there’s an archive.org page of it from August 18, 2012, while Pro JYM came out around mid-2014.

So, at this point, we have to ask: Did Jim Stoppani even formulate Pro JYM??? Or is this just a spin on an old Protogen formula that they had sitting around in the offices?

At this point, we don’t see a purpose in ever recommending Pro JYM. Not only for Jim Stoppani’s questionable marketing tactics covered here, but now also because you can get a similar (if not better) product in Protogen for less money!

In conclusion, it was a fun ride for the JYM Army, but it’s definitely our time to get off the train – for good.

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  • Ken

    Dr. Jim is so arrogant, but doubling down on something so obviously wrong really turns me off to his brand. My next purchase will be Nutrabio, I really like the open honest formulas.

  • Mark Glazier

    Well-done Mike. It’s commendable that you put your ass on the line with little to gain other than setting the record straight so that consumers see the real picture. I greatly appreciate you defending that brands that are doing it right and watching out for consumers.

  • BasharAR

    I was banned from posting to jym Facebook group after mentioning another competing product. Thank you priceplow for being a honest source of good information.

  • Brandon

    I have to say thia breaks my heart a little. I saw his video before reading this article and i thought to myself that doesnt sound right because I remember seeing other products. Then seeing how he reacted when his error was brought to light makes me question the reliability of his statements. I try to wat grass fed and organic but after reading an article he wrote about there being no need for that in a protien im no longer sure if i can trust his statements. Very sad day. He needs to make this right and apologize and come clean.

    • Brandon, thanks for the comment. I do want to say that I agree with Jim’s take on grass-fed whey, for the most part.

      Research has shown that grass-fed meats are superior due to their *fatty acid profiles* and antioxidant profiles — not necessarily the protein!
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2846864/

      But with that 90% WPI, you’re stripping out all the “beneficial” fat anyway! So what’s the point of having paid for that higher quality milk if you’re removing the biggest difference-makers anyway?

      The amino acid profiles *might* be slightly different between say a 90% regular WPI and a 90% grass-fed WPI, but we can’t imagine it being THAT much different to justify the cost.

      A leucine molecule is going to be a leucine molecule after all…

      Of course, if you’re all for happy cows and more humane treatment of our cattle, then yes, grass-fed is a far more ethical purchasing decision. Whether it’s worth it depends on your budget.

      So we’re with Jim on this one, although I forget what exactly he said back in that video a while back. I never meant to bring every last thing he’s said into question, I just don’t agree to this recent aggressive style of marketing.

      Thanks again for reading!!

      • Brandon

        Thanks for the reply Mike! Very cool and informative. His post was similar to what you said. I may have had an over-reaction to the article. There are so few people in the industry that seem trustworthy and who have also been around for such a long time and when you put so much faith into someone and see them act in such an uncharacteristic manner its dissapointing. Its like when Superman gets hit with red kryptonite or something lol When the truth is just obvious it starts to make you question other statements where i would just almost blindly listen before. If he is going to BS about something so obvious you wonder if theres other stuff he is not being honest about. I felt my hero let me down. Theres nothing wrong with making a mistake in life or being wrong but the way this was handled was atrocious. I hope its because people who are not him are involved in his facebook and twitter response. They say its always him but have you seen how many things he response too? its almost inhuman. Maybe they are trying to hide the fact its not always him. Well either way im still a fan of his, have admiration for what hes trying to do and consider myself a member of the JYMarmy.

  • deeshmond

    Very interesting post. Good for you for speaking up, Mike. Any updates on the situation?

    • Unfortunately, they got lawyers involved nearly immediately, so I prefer not to speak much more. That video is still up though, which is a shame, since we’ve shown that its claims are simply not true.

      • deeshmond

        Wow. I use JYM products but that is really quite disappointing. Doesn’t seem to be any need for lawyers. He makes great products but, like you said, some of the claims he’s making about other lines simply aren’t true. Why not just let these other lines do their thing and you keep doing yours, Jim? No need for a pissing contest.
        Hope it all works out for you, Mike.

  • Now I’ve even more confused about what he’s talking about after the YouTube. He claims to have the only non-proprietary blend, then claims others don’t, then claims they do but they’re not making enough impact on the industry to make a difference. Then he says they’re just doing it to copycat his formula. If he’s trying to “clarify” his position, he did a poor job of it.

    Disclaimer: I’ve never used his products and have nothing bad to good to say about them without having seeing the ingredients.

    It’s great to see companies do non-proprietary blends. Congress should legislate all supplements have to list the exact ingredients and amounts on every supplement sold, which was the whole idea of the Pure Food and Drug Act of 1906.

  • BasharAR

    Jym has lost it, an arrogant idiot who is too dumb to do his homework.

  • Monazir Alam

    Before jym there were proteins which did the job after jym there will be good proteins too. Dr jym ddidn’t built his muscles using jym products . jym shops may b good but there are other good prdcprdcts too. Jym can’t b the only one .

  • Joe Hammerdink

    Jim Stoppani is a complete fraud. ANYONE who buys his stuff or follows his absurdly bad workouts needs their head examined.

    The man only exists to push his supplement line. If you follow his recommendations you will easily spend $200 a month on pills and powders.

    I won’t even go into how absurdly bad his 50+ set workouts are. He tries to overcomplicate everything. This isn’t rocket science. You eat clean, you workout. He has people so scared to do anything off his plan that they are all furiously doing math every night to make sure their carb intake is right. Just stop it. Also, he has you eating so much food it’s preposterous. 1.5g of protein AND carbs per pound of bodyweight is far far too much.

    A perfect example of people blindly trusting those 3 letters after his name.

    • OC

      Yeah, his “Shortcut to Shred” one is utterly insane. Sure, I’ll just do two minutes of box jumps between every couple of reps during my superset, I have time for that. Be in the gym 2 hours a day doing bullshit.

      I mean the dude makes good products and knows his stuff, but he over complicates things to the point of hilarity, his products are 2-3x more expensive than they should be, and he’s an arrogant dick.

      • Apex8

        I was doing this type of workout before i ever knew of BB .com which has now been 4 years or so. I have mass and always wanted to be faster, leaner, and more flexible. This workout puts a routine for my now desk job and kids lifestyle. I have been doing it long enough now i have modified versions to shake it up. The absolute best part is i have MINIMAL soreness than i would with a slow cool down. I can easily hit the gym for 60-75 mins and go participate with kids.

  • Jeff

    Just finished my tub of pre jym and pro jym. Pre jym was good but this guy has totally turned me off his products

  • DaemonSevin

    i wasn’t interested in Neither protein manufacture but nutrabio has my attention. what a great way to promote a company Nutrabio should thank Jym

  • Ken

    Dr.Jim should have never opened up that can of worms, Mark Glazier did a very professional takedown of Dr Jim, and his overpriced, repackaged bodybuildingcom protein. Well done Mr. Glazier. Ha ha 69% protein at that cost.

  • Rob

    I do remember seeing some old youtube vids of Jim using Protogen be his protein came out. I, too, used Jim’s products about a year ago. Then they got way to pricey. That along with his constant arrogance and how crazy he gets in his videos made me look elsewhere for supps. He got his “Jym Army” brainwashed

  • eg94

    I really used to look up to Jim but he has gone off the deep end, he is looking more and more insane in each video that he makes

  • Alex Rogers

    Alex Rogers, from Proteinfactory here, and I’m a supplement manufacturing expert. I’ve been making protein just as long if not longer than Nutra Bio.

    #1. JYM is violating federal regulations by simply listing a ZERO in the supplement facts panel. It is against FDA regs to list ZERO”s in the supplement facts panel. Technically the FDA can give him a 483 warning letter and force him to change his label.

    #2. JYM is not the ONLY brand NOT doing proprietary blends. A small brand in NJ called Apollan Gym is doing proprietary blends as well as my own brand.

    #3. Nutra Bio is dead accurate on its protein label. I have examined it and so has my head of FDA compliance.

    #4. Nutra Bio and Jym both talk a lot and quite frankly who gives a shit. All that matters is one thing and one thing only, NEITHER which each company did. SHOW ME THE FUCKING THIRD PARTY LAB analysis, which is REQUIRED by LAW!!! It is in the 111’s. that all dietary supplements BEFORE release into commerce must verify through a third party, what is on the label is in the bottle. It is as simple as that. NOT from the contract packager, which companies like to fool consumers with to ACT like they conducted a 3rd party test but really didnt. Tests cost money…thousands of dollars. Now Nutra Bio says he has over 300 SKU’s. I would suspect that he probably spends $500,000 on tests per per.

    #5. JYM can escape this mess he created for himself, simply by labeling his protein as a food and give it a nutrition facts panel like Optimum Nutrition.

    #6. By law all supplement companies must have a Standard Operating Manual. I would suspect Nutra-Bio has one but I’d like to see the SOP manuals from both companies. On a side note I did a video where I show in that video my SOP manual.

    Bottom line. before you buy ANY dietary supplement, ask to see the third party lab analysis. its a federal law.

  • JUAN ALVARADO

    I love all the back and forth and see both sides. A little disappointed in jym. And I actually want to try nutrabio. I do havee to point out though that Jim did work at bodybuilding and helped develop protogen. He actually talked about it in his come up with bb.com years ago so because of his knowledge and input I can see why it would be similar he had his had in both.

    • saywutrly

      I would like to take just a moment to point out that we found out that this was also BS. The court case has produced a sworn affidavit which show PricePlow’s well-founded prediction to be correct. Pro Jym is overpriced Protogen WITHOUT the beneficial enzymes.

      • JUAN ALVARADO

        WHICH is why I said simular and not exact. I knew that info, it’s not new. AND why I also said I was disappointed in jym products. You’re
        preaching to the choir

  • Jim

    Hmmm… read this article over the weekend while considering which new protein to buy. PROTOGEN (at the bottom of the article) was available Sunday. Logged onto the PROTOGEN product page on bb today to check out prices and I was met with “We no longer carry this product.” Interesting.

    • Interesting!! At this point we don’t know. Maybe he did formulate Protogen, and now that they’re suing him, they are discontinuing it???? Pure speculation there. But every next turn in this process between these two parties seems to be another bad thing and never any improvement to the situation from what we’re seeing…

  • lewis

    The entire thing is ridiculous… Seems hard to believe they are going to go with he did not even create it… If he did not seems like it would open up a lawsuit for anybody that bought it…. I am sure there are plenty of people that only bought it because it was “science” not a bodybuilding product… They had no problem letting him say he created it…. Anyway the whole thing is so irritating I will probable switch to KAGED…

  • Steve Cook

    I was just about to make the switch from Optimum Nutrition to Jym, definitely not after viewing all of the information here. Jim Stoppani sounds like the biggest piece of sh*t. Going with Nutrabio for sure, his products look much better anyways, I had never heard of them until I seen this post.

  • Barry Harrison

    I will stay clear of Jym products from now on. I can’t say with confidence who is right or wrong but for now I’ll make a change. I was never 100% convinced with Jym products but now am even less convinced. Does Jym share his steroids or keep them for himself?

  • Héctor Javier Ordóñez

    This is a very clear, almost objective ( almost ;) ) article regarding this issue. I have read carefully everything. Unfortunately I have been following Stoppani’s articles on body building for a while. I had a bad feeling about something but couldn’t point it out.
    The “research shows” in his speeches yet rarely sharing those was a big red flag for me.
    Your article does two things. One is confirming my intuition that Stoppani says what is in his best interest.
    And second; next time I buy protein is from NutraBio.

    Kudos to Mark Glazier for being cool in his video and educative. In Stoppani’s videos I only learned how to pronounce Penis with nasal congestion.

    Burn for wasting my time, Jim.